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POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.24 04:16:00 -
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Just quit whining and either:
(A) Quit the game
(B) Start mining until you can learn missiles like CCP wants you to do.
Seriously, CCP hates drones. They always have. It was a good run and Ill miss the old Domi but lvl4 missions are clearly meant to be done in a Tengu. Get with the program. |
POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.24 23:11:00 -
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I'm affraid but the so-used argument of the persecuted minority won't work here. I mean, CCP created drones as it's their game. Why would they hate them ? Nobody forced them to create the drone weapon system.
No, you dont understand. Ive given in. I am a missile pilot now so that I will never be a member of the "persecuted minority" again. As far as the drone weapon system, well...its not really a weapon system anymore. Drones are now an expendable asset deployed for getting the heck out of Dodge. Yeah, Ive read the posts about the brave Domi pilots killing everything by micro managing their drones but thats just silly. Much better off to get in a missile boat, point and click your way to riches. |
POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.24 23:14:00 -
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(A) Quit the game
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You know, I think this is becoming a pet peeve of mine. CCP should really start banning people who tell people to quit the game. Population of this game is small enough as it is, and a huge percentage of that population is alts anyhow.
For those who may have missed it like this fellow did, option (A) was a sarcastic remark. My apologies for the misunderstanding. |
POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.24 23:24:00 -
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CCP didn't nerf drones. All they did was add a teeny weeny challenge in using drones. If that bump in the road is too much for you, there are plenty of games that require no challenge or use of brain cells.
Look, Im not going to argue with ya and I dont even disagree with you completely.
1. Yes, you can still do missions with drones.
2. Is it worthwhile to do missions with drones now? Certainly not.
I dont have a problem with a bit of challenge. If it truly is the AFKers CCP wants to stop, then why not make the drones completely stupid? Make them so that they have to be sent after each and every target just like any other weapon system. Seems simple to me, but instead we get this ridiculous AI that eliminates a whole series of ships for effectively doing missions at an isk per hour rate that is viable. That my friend is not only a nerf, it is a death knell for that whole PVE philosophy. |
POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.24 23:35:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:There is a solution to this, just put **** tons of EWAR in your utility high slots on your drone boats instead of pea shooters.
If you are running 4-8 NOS on an enemy NPC, they will likely not shoot your drones. Thats been my experience after testing these changes.
Maybe I am wrong and got lucky.
Well, my Domis used large blasters. Not exactly pea shooters. Better off imo to just get in a gunship or a missile boat now. Keep lights to deal with the scrams and webs. Adapt is the message of the day and so I have. Just hate to see that faithful old Domi set in the hangar knowing what it used to be. Now its just mind numbingly painful to do anything with. Id rather watch grass grow or paint dry than to try and do a mission with it.
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POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:32:00 -
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i must say the "afk mission nerf" really missed the point, i have tried most activities in eve for curiosity's sake,
afk mission running, is not something for drones, even while drones never got aggro.
an overtanked missile boat has always been the way to run afk missions, or low attention missions
They boosted the AI to make it less profitable to do lvl 4s. Its really more about slowing the ISK generation and gun mining that was proliferating in those missions. But all this AI will do is cause a shift in how they are approached. In the end things will be right back where they were. So I figure we can look for the AI to get even smarter as a result.
The folks in null dont like it that anyone can do a lvl 4 mission without risk, loot the booty and reprocess it into minerals they hold near and dear to their hearts. I can understand that. The only reason I run those missions is for those minerals. The standings, LP and bounties are just icing on the cake.
What they have done will not fix that problem. It just forces people to go a different way. What I do know is that they will soon realize this for themselves if not already. They will eventually rework all the missions so that none can be done with just one approach. Lvl 4s will become more like lvl 5s in that it will require a much broader skill set and number of people to do them.
That will do what they want, but not eliminate the determined. However it should effectively trample out most individuals using the lvl 4s to undermine what null has to offer. |
POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.26 07:07:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:I've just recently bought and T2 fitted a Domi using sentry's and small drones as my primary DPS and I have yet to lose a drone to a level four mission. I have found that they get targeted more but that's not really a problem as the sentry's can be scooped up and re-deployed and I use large shield repper's which means I can turn off my own repper and let the drone keep the aggro.
Since the changes I've stopped using large drones. If you can't use sentry's then I would highly recommend getting/improving their skills.
Why on earth would you buy a Domi and kit it out for lvl 4 missions now? The obvious answer is you are attempting to promote the oft cited "ADAPT" philosophy and thats okay. Nobody is going to be using Domis for lvl 4s even though it can be done. It just happens to be the slowest way to do lvl 4s now and thats fine too. This change is not going to be rolled back. Its here to stay. If all you have are drone skills, do something else while training turrets or missiles. Nobody likes having the way they do something slapped around but it happens.
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POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.26 17:18:00 -
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Complex Potential wrote:As a drone boat pilot my method of "adapting" was to train Sentry Drone Interfacing 5 and look into tactics for using sentry drones, and it just finished  Admittedly a 25 day training was quite annoying but now that it's done I can't believe how good they are. I used to rat angels with Berserker IIs as they had far higher dps than tech 1 bouncers which always took ages to kill anything. But Tech 2 bouncers can do the same amount of dps as Berserker IIs from anything up to 100km and eliminates travel time. What initially seemed like a nerf has actually forced me to look at something I'd never previously considered and I reckon I rat about 20-30% faster now. The only problem is if the rats get too close but I changed my AB for a Micro Jump Drive and that has basically dealt with that issue. Personally I'm quite happy now.
Yes, I know that can be done, but its still the slow way. Perhaps thats okay with you and if it is youre golden. But for most people its about ISK per hour and there are many better ways to get it done than to jump drive around letting sentries plink away. My old Domi could tank anything and still pump out near 900dps with my skills. Now its like a brick with a BB gun that can be broken if you dont do everything just right. I now do them in gunships and missile boats and its MUCH faster. Guess the future new and improved AI will dismantle launchers and turrets lol.
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POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
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Posted - 2012.12.30 17:41:00 -
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Quote:For the dominix, the new AI obviously hates the sentries less
Yeah, you keep plinking away with the sentries. Ill be on my 3rd mission with my tengu while youre still madly trying to prove a point on your first mission. Whatever floats your boat.... |
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